What is the opinion of His Eminence Allamah Mansoor Hashemi Khorasani on bank interest? What is it that those who are unable to work with their capital or do not know a trustworthy person for partnership and productive work must do if his opinion is that all types of bank interest are usurious?
Usury is of two types: one is the exchange of two commodities of the same kind with an excess of one over the other, and the other is depositing money with someone on condition that he returns it with a fixed or certain profit. Therefore, every fixed or certain profit that banks stipulate and pay to the depositor in relation to what he has deposited is usury, which is forbidden according to the Book of Allah; as one of our companions informed us, he said:
«سَأَلْتُ الْمَنْصُورَ أَيَّدَهُ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى عَنِ الْمَصْرَفِ، يُودِعُهُ الرَّجُلُ مِنْ مَالِهِ مِائَةَ دِينَارٍ لِيَعْمَلَ بِهِ إِلَى أَجَلٍ مُسَمًّى، عَلَى أَنْ يُؤْتِيَهُ عِشْرِينَ دِينَارًا مِنَ الرِّبْحِ، قَالَ: هَذَا وَاللَّهِ رِبًا فَاجْتَنِبُوهُ، قُلْتُ: إِنَّهُمْ يَقُولُونَ مَا هُوَ إِلَّا مُضَارَبَةٌ! قَالَ: كَذَبُوا، أَلَمْ يَعْلَمُوا أَنَّ رِبْحَ الْمُضَارَبَةِ غَيْرُ مَعْلُومٍ وَلَا مَشْرُوطٍ؟!»[1]; “I asked Mansoor (may Allah Almighty support him) about the bank, where a man puts one hundred dinars of his money in it to work with it for a specified period, on condition that it pays him twenty dinars of interest. He said: ‘I swear to Allah, this is usury, so avoid it!’ I said: ‘They say it is nothing but mudarabah[2]!’ He said: ‘They are lying! Do they not know the interest of mudarabah is neither known nor conditional?!’”
Rather, the truth is that all transactions with banks at present are impermissible except in cases of necessity; because banks with their current structure have no basis in Islam and are considered as innovations of disbelievers, always operating within the framework of their economic policies and providing help with their control over the world’s wealth and the dependence of Muslims on them; as one of our companions informed us, he said:
«سَأَلْتُ الْمَنْصُورَ أَيَّدَهُ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى عَنِ الْبَنْكِ، فَقَالَ: سَلْ غَيْرِي! سَلْ هَؤُلَاءِ الْفُقَهَاءَ! قُلْتُ: لِمَاذَا؟! قَالَ: لِأَنَّكَ فِي سَعَةٍ مَا لَمْ تَسْأَلْنِي، فَإِذَا سَأَلْتَنِي أَخْبَرْتُكَ بِالْحَقِّ فَضَاقَتْ عَلَيْكَ! أَمَا سَمِعْتَ قَوْلَهُ تَعَالَى: ﴿لَا تَسْأَلُوا عَنْ أَشْيَاءَ إِنْ تُبْدَ لَكُمْ تَسُؤْكُمْ﴾[3]؟! قُلْتُ: أَخْبِرْنِي بِالْحَقِّ، وَلَا تَرُدَّنِي إِلَى حُفْنَةٍ مِنَ الْقَرَاصِنَةِ! قَالَ: لَا بَنْكَ فِي الْإِسْلَامِ، إِنَّمَا هُوَ وَدِيعَةٌ وَقَرْضٌ وَمُضَارَبَةٌ، وَمَنْ عَامَلَ الْبَنْكَ لَمْ يَسْلَمْ مِنَ الرِّبَا، قُلْتُ: إِلَّا مَنْ أَكْرَهَهُ ظَالِمٌ؟ قَالَ: إِلَّا مَنْ أَكْرَهَهُ ظَالِمٌ، ثُمَّ قَالَ: أَلَكَ مَالٌ؟ قُلْتُ: نَعَمْ، وَأَتَطَبَّبُ، قَالَ: لَوْ أَلْقَيْتَ مَالَكَ فِي الْبَحْرِ خَيْرٌ مِنْ أَنْ تَضَعَهُ فِي الْبَنْكِ، لِأَنَّهُ كِيسُ الظَّلَمَةِ، وَإِنَّ كِيسَهُمْ كَبَيْتِ الْعَنْكَبُوتِ، يَتَّصِلُ بَعْضُهُ بِبَعْضٍ، حَتَّى يَنْتَهِيَ إِلَى الْمَرْكَزِ! قُلْتُ: وَمَا الْمَرْكَزُ؟! قَالَ: كِيسُ الْأَعْوَرِ»[4]; “I asked Mansoor (may Allah Almighty support him) about the bank, so he said: ‘Ask someone else! Ask these jurists!’ I said: ‘Why?!’ He said: ‘Because as long as you do not ask me, you will have the liberty, then, when you ask me, I will inform you of the truth, so it will become tough for you! Have you not heard the words of Allah Almighty that has said: “Do not ask about things that if disclosed to you, may displease you”?!’ I said: ‘Inform me of the truth, and do not refer me to a group of thieves and bandits!’ He said: ‘There is no bank in Islam; there is only trust, borrowing, and mudarabah, and whoever transacts with the bank is not safe from usury!’ I said: ‘Except for one who is forced by an oppressor (e.g., for necessary administrative works)?’ He said: ‘Except for one who is forced by an oppressor!’ Then he said: ‘Do you have any wealth?’ I said: ‘Yes, I practice medicine!’ He said: ‘If you throw your wealth into the sea, it is better than putting it in the bank; because it is the sack of oppressors, and their sack is like a spider’s web, some of which are connected to some others until they lead to the center!’ I said: ‘What is the center?!’ He said: ‘The sack of the one-eyed (man)!’”
It is understood from here that whoever has capital must not deposit it in the banks of oppressors if he believes in Allah and the Last Day, but rather do one of the following:
1. He rolls up his sleeves and works with his capital in legitimate and non-governmental business, putting his trust in Allah.
2. He gives his capital to some of the righteous from among his believing friends, relatives, and neighbors so that they work with it in legitimate and non-governmental business in exchange for a share of the profit in the form of mudarabah and the like.
3. He gives his capital to other Muslims who do legitimate and non-governmental business after obtaining documentation or evidence so that they work with it in exchange for a share of the profit in the form of mudarabah and the like.
4. He keeps his capital safe with him until Allah opens a door for him to one of the things mentioned above, and of course, he spends from it in the way of Allah and His Caliph so that it returns to him in the world and the Hereafter seventy times in number, Insha’Allah.
Moreover, believers should launch a fund among themselves with the cooperation of their believing friends, relatives, and neighbors to lend each other a good loan, adhering to the rulings of Allah, and therefore become free from the need for impure and doubtful loans of banks; as Allah Almighty has said: ﴿وَتَعَاوَنُوا عَلَى الْبِرِّ وَالتَّقْوَى﴾[5]; “And help one another in goodness and piety” and they should remind the words of Allah Almighty, where He has said: ﴿وَمَنْ يَتَّقِ اللَّهَ يَجْعَلْ لَهُ مَخْرَجًا وَيَرْزُقْهُ مِنْ حَيْثُ لَا يَحْتَسِبُ ۚ وَمَنْ يَتَوَكَّلْ عَلَى اللَّهِ فَهُوَ حَسْبُهُ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ بَالِغُ أَمْرِهِ ۚ قَدْ جَعَلَ اللَّهُ لِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدْرًا﴾[6]; “And whoever fears Allah, He will make a way out for him, and provide for him from where he does not expect, and whoever relies on Allah, then He is sufficient for him. Indeed, Allah fulfills His work. He has set a measure for everything.”
What is the ruling on my salary that I earn by working in a unit of a bank? It appears that the activities of the bank are related to Islamic contracts and benefit the public, and the unit has an administrative, research, and non-executive aspect.
The activities of banks at present are not related to Islamic contracts and are carried out according to the global and non-Islamic economic system; because accepting people’s deposits and taking possession of them, which is the basis of the activities of banks, if done as a “loan,” cannot bring profit to people; because loans have not been legislated in Islam to bring profit, but to have Muslims help each other, and therefore, any profit arising from loans is devouring people’s wealth falsely. Also, accepting people’s deposits and taking possession of them, if done as “trust,” cannot bring profit to banks; because trust has not been legislated in Islam to bring profit, but to have Muslims help each other, and therefore, any profit arising from trust is devouring people’s wealth falsely. Also, accepting people’s deposits and taking possession of them, if done as “mudarabah,” cannot bring any known and conditioned profit to people; because the profit arising from mudarabah is neither known nor conditioned, but rather it changes according to the manner of trade and the conditions of the market, and therefore, any known and conditioned profit in it is devouring people’s wealth falsely, while Allah Almighty has said: ﴿يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَأْكُلُوا أَمْوَالَكُمْ بَيْنَكُمْ بِالْبَاطِلِ﴾[1]; “O you who believed! Do not devour one another’s wealth among yourselves falsely.” Based on this, any cooperation with banks in their current structure, especially considering their connection to the global banking network which is often in the service of the forces of evil, is cooperation in sin and transgression, while Allah Almighty has said: ﴿وَلَا تَعَاوَنُوا عَلَى الْإِثْمِ وَالْعُدْوَانِ ۚ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ ۖ إِنَّ اللَّهَ شَدِيدُ الْعِقَابِ﴾[2]; “And do not help one another in sin and transgression, and fear Allah. Indeed, Allah is severe in punishment.”
Therefore, a believer should get a purer job and not fear poverty; because Allah is a Merciful Provider, and He opens a door to what is lawful for those who, fearing Him, leave the unlawful, and provides for them from where they do not expect; as He has promised in His book and said: ﴿وَمَنْ يَتَّقِ اللَّهَ يَجْعَلْ لَهُ مَخْرَجًا وَيَرْزُقْهُ مِنْ حَيْثُ لَا يَحْتَسِبُ ۚ وَمَنْ يَتَوَكَّلْ عَلَى اللَّهِ فَهُوَ حَسْبُهُ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ بَالِغُ أَمْرِهِ ۚ قَدْ جَعَلَ اللَّهُ لِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدْرًا﴾[3]; “And whoever fears Allah, He will make a way out for him, and provide for him from where he does not expect, and whoever relies on Allah, then He is sufficient for him. Indeed, Allah fulfills His work. He has set a measure for everything.”
What is the ruling on the money a bank receives from people in the name of a commission in return for a good loan? This money is about 4% in my country, and the bank receives it with justifications such as administrative expenses, employee salaries, and depreciation of bank assets.
Lending on the condition that the borrower repays at a certain percentage more than the money he has actually received is usury, which Allah Almighty has forbidden in His Book, even if it is in the name of a commission; because changing the name does not change what is named, and actions are judged by the intention. A good loan is one given without a condition of repaying extra money and without a condition of late payment fines, and this is what banks do not do; because banks seek profit, not reward, and therefore, they do not do what does not have profit for them. For this reason, Allamah Mansoor Hashemi Khorasani has warned believers against going to banks and urged them to go to each other; because going to banks is either falling into what is clearly unlawful or falling into what is doubtful, and it is not right to fall into what is doubtful either; as it has been narrated from the Messenger of Allah
that he said: «الْحَلَالُ بَيِّنٌ وَالْحَرَامُ بَيِّنٌ وَبَيْنَهُمَا مُشْتَبِهَاتٌ، لَا يَعْلَمُهَا كَثِيرٌ مِنَ النَّاسِ، فَمَنِ اتَّقَى الشُّبَهَاتِ اسْتَبْرَأَ لِدِينِهِ وَعِرْضِهِ، وَمَنْ وَقَعَ فِي الشُّبَهَاتِ وَقَعَ فِي الْحَرَامِ، كَالرَّاعِي يَرْعَى حَوْلَ الْحِمَى فَيُوشِكُ أَنْ يُوَاقِعَهُ، وَإِنَّ لِكُلِّ مَلِكٍ حِمًى، وَإِنَّ حِمَى اللَّهِ مَحَارِمُهُ»[1]; “Indeed, the lawful is clear and the unlawful is clear, and between them are doubtful matters which many people do not know. So whoever avoids doubtful matters clears his liability regarding his religion and his honor, and whoever falls into doubtful matters will fall into the unlawful, just like a shepherd who grazes his sheep in the vicinity of a pasture declared prohibited and is, thus, likely to let them graze in a prohibited area. Indeed, every king has a protected area, and the protected area of Allah is His prohibitions.”
The question I have for you is, considering the current situation in the world, all people are afflicted in some way with taking bank loans and need them. Consider a marriage loan, for example; if for any reason you cannot convince your wife or her family to not get this loan, what must be done? Is the money earned from this loan unlawful? Considering the current living conditions, with rising costs constantly eroding the value of wealth, I myself might be left with no choice but to get a loan.
A loan with the condition that you repay it with an extra amount is considered usury, which is one of the greatest sins, to the extent that Allah Almighty has considered it a declaration of war against Himself and His Messenger. Therefore, it is not permissible to get such a loan; because it is cooperation in sin, while Allah Almighty has said: ﴿وَلَا تَعَاوَنُوا عَلَى الْإِثْمِ وَالْعُدْوَانِ ۚ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ ۖ إِنَّ اللَّهَ شَدِيدُ الْعِقَابِ﴾[1]; “And do not help one another in sin and transgression, and fear Allah. Indeed, Allah is severe in punishment.” It is clear that what Allah has made unlawful is not made lawful by what the wife or her family desires; as He has said: ﴿يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِنَّ مِنْ أَزْوَاجِكُمْ وَأَوْلَادِكُمْ عَدُوًّا لَكُمْ فَاحْذَرُوهُمْ﴾[2]; “O you who believed! Indeed, some of your wives and children are your enemies, so beware of them,” and said: ﴿وَلَئِنِ اتَّبَعْتَ أَهْوَاءَهُمْ مِنْ بَعْدِ مَا جَاءَكَ مِنَ الْعِلْمِ ۙ إِنَّكَ إِذًا لَمِنَ الظَّالِمِينَ﴾[3]; “And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, then you will certainly be one of the wrongdoers.” Therefore, believers, if they do not die by refraining from this unlawful act, must fear Allah, be patient with hardships and deficiencies in the life of the world, adhere to contentment and asceticism, and help each other; because remaining pure in the end time is difficult for them, but it has a greater reward proportionally; as it has been narrated from the Messenger of Allah that he said: «الْمُتَمَسِّكُ بِسُنَّتِي عِنْدَ فَسَادِ أُمَّتِي لَهُ أَجْرُ شَهِيدٍ»[4]; “Whoever adheres to my sunnah when my ummah is corrupt will have the reward of a martyr,” and in another narration: «لَهُ أَجْرُ خَمْسِينَ شَهِيدًا»[5]; “He will have the reward of fifty martyrs,” and in another narration: «لَهُ أَجْرُ مِائَةِ شَهِيدٍ»[6]; “He will have the reward of a hundred martyrs.” Also, it has been narrated that he said: «سَيَأْتِي عَلَى النَّاسِ زَمَانٌ لَا يُنَالُ الْمُلْكُ فِيهِ إِلَّا بِالْقَتْلِ وَالتَّجَبُّرِ وَلَا الْغِنَى إِلَّا بِالْغَصْبِ وَالْبُخْلِ وَلَا الْمَحَبَّةُ إِلَّا بِاسْتِخْرَاجِ الدِّينِ وَاتِّبَاعِ الْهَوَى، فَمَنْ أَدْرَكَ ذَلِكَ الزَّمَانَ فَصَبَرَ عَلَى الْفَقْرِ وَهُوَ يَقْدِرُ عَلَى الْغِنَى وَصَبَرَ عَلَى الْبِغْضَةِ وَهُوَ يَقْدِرُ عَلَى الْمَحَبَّةِ وَصَبَرَ عَلَى الذُّلِّ وَهُوَ يَقْدِرُ عَلَى الْعِزِّ آتَاهُ اللَّهُ ثَوَابَ خَمْسِينَ صِدِّيقًا مِمَّنْ صَدَّقَ بِي»[7]; “There will come a time upon people when dominion will not be obtained in it except by killing and tyranny, nor wealth except by usurpation and miserliness, nor popularity except by abandoning religion and following passions. So whoever reaches that time and endures poverty while he can be rich, endures being hated while he can be popular, and endures humiliation while he can achieve glory, Allah will give him the reward of fifty of the truthful who believed in me.” Yes, the reward of the truthful and the martyrs, which is the greatest reward after that of the Prophets, will be for a believer who remains pure when unlawful things have spread throughout the world and polluted all people, even if problems surround him; because remaining pure in such a time is more difficult than holding a burning coal; as it has been narrated from the Messenger of Allah
that he said: «الْمُتَمَسِّكُ يَوْمَئِذٍ بِدِينِهِ كَالْقَابِضِ عَلَى الْجَمْرِ»[8]; “One who adheres to his religion in that time is like one who holds a burning coal.” This is a forced consequence of the non-establishment of Allah’s sovereignty over the earth, and the longer it continues, the more difficult it becomes for people to adhere to religion until finding a lawful morsel of food becomes more difficult for them than enduring a sword strike; as it has been narrated from Ali
that he said: «ذَاكَ حَيْثُ تَكُونُ ضَرْبَةُ السَّيْفِ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِ أَهْوَنَ مِنَ الدِّرْهَمِ مِنْ حِلِّهِ»[9]; “That is when it is easier for a believer to endure a sword strike than to find one dirham of lawful money.” This is a natural consequence of the prolonged absence of Allah’s Caliph on the earth, and if it is not stopped as soon as possible by the will and action of people, a more difficult and frightening situation will dominate the world; as Allah Almighty has informed of it as one of His ways and said: ﴿وَمَنْ أَعْرَضَ عَنْ ذِكْرِي فَإِنَّ لَهُ مَعِيشَةً ضَنْكًا﴾[10]; “And whoever turns away from remembering Me, he will have a life of great hardship,” and said: ﴿وَضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا قَرْيَةً كَانَتْ آمِنَةً مُطْمَئِنَّةً يَأْتِيهَا رِزْقُهَا رَغَدًا مِنْ كُلِّ مَكَانٍ فَكَفَرَتْ بِأَنْعُمِ اللَّهِ فَأَذَاقَهَا اللَّهُ لِبَاسَ الْجُوعِ وَالْخَوْفِ بِمَا كَانُوا يَصْنَعُونَ﴾[11]; “Allah sets forth the example of a town that was safe and secure, receiving its provisions in abundance from every side. Then it became ungrateful to the blessings of Allah. So Allah made (the inhabitants of) it taste extreme hunger and fear because of what they used to do.”